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FalseOpposition
(free-thinker)
01/15/05 07:19 PM
WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). [ Post 293277333 ]

   Category: News & Opinion (Specific)  Topic: Conspiracy: 9/11 - Alleged Coverups
   Synopsis: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE.
   Source: globalresearch.ca.myforums.net
   Published: January 1, 2001  Author: Truth
   For Education and Discussion Only.  Not for Commercial Use.


Woman Waving From WTC North Tower Impact Hole.

Here is a still shot of the woman waving from the impact hole of the North Tower. No one from the North Tower impact levels, or above, survived.




Imagine. According to the media/government fable, it was hot enough to soften the steel and cause the building to collapse, however, as is evident from the picture and video, it was not hot enough to singe her hair.

You can download video of the event from here 1.2 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 692x356. The woman is in the lower righthand corner.

If you are using Windows Media Player you need the DivX3.11a codec plug-in.
If you do not already have it, you can find it here:
http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/divx/windows/divx_3.11alpha.zip
You unzip the files and double click on Register_DivX.exe
For more on DivX movies (like the one above), see:
http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=599

For more on the WTC fires, see: The World Trade Center Fires (Not So Hot Eh?) at
libertyforum.org or globalresearch.ca.myforums.net

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FalseOpposition
(free-thinker)
01/15/05 07:21 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293277334, reply to 293277333 ] (Score: 2, Underrated)

Flag to: sambooch, chump, Mr_Kurtz, pokerkidz, whiteaglesoaring, SourDove, Dankness, chester, citizen_kane, Archie, ResearchGuy, randfreedom, grep14w, angel2000, Desertgirl, cactus, alpowolf, CynicismPays, thomaspain, Romulus

Some other articles that may be of interest:

MANY HI-RESOLUTION VIDEOS OF 9/11 (AND MORE).
PREMATURE DETONATIONS IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DEMOLITIONS (VIDEO).
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER FIRES (NOT SO HOT EH?)
THE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT/MEDIA 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORY.
THE GOVERNMENT FEMA "INVESTIGATIONS" - TWIN TOWERS - Part 1
THE GOVERNMENT FEMA "INVESTIGATIONS" - TWIN TOWERS - Part 2
THE 9-11 PENTAGON PROBLEM (WHY A BOEING 757 DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON).
THE (PRE 2004 PRESIDENTIAL) ELECTION BIN LADEN VIDEO IS AN OBVIOUS FAKE.
YET ANOTHER 9/11 SMOKING GUN (HOW MANY AUTOS BLOWN OFF FREEWAY)?
THE GOVERNMENT FEMA REPORT INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER "COLLAPSE". WHY DID ITS AUTHORS LIE?
SOME FACTS ABOUT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS.
WATCH THE WORLD TRADE CENTER EXPLOSIONS HERE. WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?
The collapse of the WTC.

M_Theory
(truth-seeker)
01/15/05 07:45 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293277371, reply to 293277333 ] (Score: 1)

Do you know which of the videos this was drawn from.


Do you have a link to the full video from its original source?

Have you seen "911 In Plane Sight"?

If so, what is your analysis of it?

M-Theory

yummybear
(insurgent)
01/15/05 08:22 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: M_Theory  |  Post 293277421, reply to 293277371 ] (Score: 2)

I see a woman. I don't see her waving. Why would she wave anyway? She looks - if the picture is real - like she is hanging on. Wouldn't you if the front of your office had been blown away?

Judson
(freedom fighter)
01/15/05 08:25 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293277427, reply to 293277333 ] (Score: 2)

Flag to: FalseOpposition, NewsWatcher, formerfan, GovernmentMule, The_skunk

this photo-shot is incredible ... as you have already indicated, how could a human survive the inferno which is supposed to have engulfed the impact area and everything above it?


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randfreedom
(insurgent)
01/15/05 08:30 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: yummybear  |  Post 293277431, reply to 293277421 ] (Score: 2, Informative)

It might be fake, but here's the one of her waving.




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GlazeptaRework
(maverick)
01/16/05 12:59 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: Judson  |  Post 293277853, reply to 293277427 ] (Score: 1)

"..how could a human survive the inferno..." She probably came up from below the impact site when the fires died down?

randfreedom
(insurgent)
01/16/05 01:29 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: ruevin  |  Post 293277859, reply to 293277537 ] (Score: 1)

I think his point was that the fires obviously weren't that bad. The woman found a place out of the smoke and was able to wave, although she was probably not able to get down the blocked stairwell.


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savetheplanet
(nonconformist)
01/16/05 01:36 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293277866, reply to 293277333 ] (Score: 1)

It has been surmised that the figure to the woman's right is a woman "looking down". Rather I would say it looks like a dead body, with the left leg half missing. What do you think

whiteaglesoaring
(radical)
01/16/05 01:39 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293277870, reply to 293277333 ] (Score: 1)

The husband of one of the victims of the WTC demolition has tentatively identified the woman as his wife, Edna Cintron, who worked in the WTC.



See Towering Unferno: no flame, no game

chump
(radical)
01/16/05 01:39 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: ruevin  |  Post 293277871, reply to 293277537 ] (Score: 1)

One idea..might be for a review of the available videos, and to determine how many people may be seen to be in these aperatures from the plane's entry into the towers...three certainly, maybe four....maybe five or more, depending on what videos or what shots in them...

The non-waving woman, in that image, there may be another woman laying down, over to the left in that image, our left...also with brown hair...

Too, when I was looking at some of these some while ago, there seemed to me to also be a second man in one of the stills. We see the one fellow well enough, on far left in the one image, but there had been another image, similar, showing a man far left, and, where a second fellow was standing lower between twisted outer vertical elements...

But respecting all this, we know that almost anyone beyond the immediate unprotected area of the actual physical impact and fire would have had little reason not to survive and be wandering around in curiousities or decideing what to do with themselves.

So...

What are wewishing to deal with here?

What is the point here?

citizen_kane
(rebel)
01/16/05 02:25 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: ruevin  |  Post 293277913, reply to 293277537 ] (Score: 2, Insightful)

Well one of the counter arguments that get recycled is that the fires became hot enough to melt steel.

Horsefeathers!

1. This woman wouldn't able to stand the heat.

2. Assuming a miracle and a violation of the first law of thermodynamics and the fires did become hot enough, the blast furnace effect would ensure that she would experience influx of air. No sign of that look at her hair.

The tower was pulled exactly like WTC7.



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Hawklord
(rookie)
01/16/05 02:41 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: randfreedom  |  Post 293277922, reply to 293277431 ] (Score: 2, Interesting)

Re: The two pics further down by randfreedom

Also notice on the floor above a guy standing in a pair of blue jeans with black belt and pinkish t shirt on the far left of the pic.

Of the two pics of the women he is not in the first but is in the second - so he is obviously alive.

Ombudsman
(rebel)
01/16/05 09:14 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293278505, reply to 293277334 ] (Score: 1)

Another excellent 911 site:

http://www.reyond.50megs.com/index.htm

M_Theory
(truth-seeker)
01/16/05 09:26 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: chump  |  Post 293278533, reply to 293277871 ] (Score: 1)

"What is the point here?"

Raises huge questions about the temperature levels in that part of the building and therefore whether the heat could have caused the failures of the steel beams supporting the concrete decks.

All depends on whether the images are genuine. If the woman can be positively identified, which should be possible from her clothing, then that could seal it.

Many of the fire-fighters on the scene were convinced they heard demolition charges. WTC7 appears to have been wired in advance. Other footage clearly shows an explosion from the twin towers prior to the collapse.

M-Theory

Hawklord
(tenderfoot)
01/16/05 11:25 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: M_Theory  |  Post 293278807, reply to 293278533 ] (Score: 1)

Quote: Many of the fire-fighters on the scene were convinced they heard demolition charges.

I'm sure I read someplace that when the towers were built that explosive chrages were includedon the blue prints at key points for future demolition.

Was this ever shown as fact?

I've seen film that shows what appears to be charges going off and also the firefighters discussing such back in the firehouse afterwards.

I must admit as a so called impartial UK person with no ties to the USA etc that from what we have (been allowed) to see in the UK and then what I have managed to find on the net that whole thing stinks !

I came to this site through the rense website (used to be Sightings) - a site I discovered when I needed to find out about UFO info after I had a very bizarre encounter in the UK 8 years ago with an entity in the family bedroom.
I discovered that the UFO subject was bigger than I had previously known and now that 911 info is being treated in the same way has made me think twice.

Little F**kers that turn up in your room are REAL ! - I know I saw one and all the shit that people are given for saying so makes me laugh.After years of trying to prove to those closest to me that I had not gone doolaly I realise now that that subject is only going to be acknkowledged when the powers that be say so.

911 though I think can be shown for what it was as the disinformation infrastructure is not yet fully in place and sites like this may just be the answer - god willing

Hawklord



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randfreedom
(insurgent)
01/16/05 04:15 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: Hawklord  |  Post 293279586, reply to 293277939 ] (Score: 1)

Well, there is definitely a blue smear there, totally unlike the black of the interior of the building. I think I saw better pix of this elsewhere, where you could really see more features.

BTW, the video shows the woman waving her arm, and her arm casts a shadow on the column she is supporting herself on. The video is from a different angle than the still frames...so with two sources, from different locations, I'd say the scene is real.

I bet in the future, stairwells will be designed with concrete wells so that people can escape in the event of fire or damage on a single floor. As I understand it, the stairs were blocked because they were surrounded in places by nothing more than sheetrock.


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Filius
(rookie)
01/16/05 06:12 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: randfreedom  |  Post 293279887, reply to 293279586 ] (Score: 1)

Is this getting a little like BLOW UP. You know, seeing things that aren't there or making your own narrative etc.?
The guy with the "blue jeans and pink shirt" I first saw it as a face, but it would be a huge head!
Can't anyone talk to this woman? Any other information?

PhillyTom
(rebel)
01/16/05 06:20 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293279917, reply to 293277333 ] (Score: 1)



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Girl with no eyes, she's looking at me.
Beautiful girl, who does she see?
Beautiful girl, she seems to be staring...

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Edited by PhillyTom on 01/16/05 06:21 PM.

Haroun
(rebel)
01/16/05 09:23 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: yummybear  |  Post 293280320, reply to 293277421 ] (Score: 1)

Right. I don't see her waving, I don't see evidence that her hair isn't singed or that she isn't otherwise hurt, I am not even sure it's a woman.

Even though the temperature inside the building at that level might have been in the hundreds of degrees, the enormous hole in the wall -- about a thousand feet above the ground on a September morning - must have been fairly frigid and probably the most breathable spot on that floor. I would expect that a great many people on that floor (and the one or two floors above and below) were incinerated or had their lungs fatally seared within seconds, but a certain number near the opening might have been spared (if only for a few minutes) by the blast of outdoor air.

chump
(radical)
01/17/05 11:28 AM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: M_Theory  |  Post 293282031, reply to 293278533 ] (Score: 1)

Hi M_Theory,


Quite so...


I recall no mention of testimony or rumor respecting any survivors who had anything to say about the first hand wxperience of the specific floors in question...the floors which were impacted by the planes. If any of the people in t hese images, or who walked up or down to these floors anyway, to look out as these people did...if any of them did make it out afterward to be able to tell the tale, I would be interested in what they had to say.

Certainly, nothing said by any known testimony at the time or after, by any of the Firemen involved, indicated that they felt there were any fires which represented anything more than a sundry nuisance...

Evidence of explosions on the ground floor and on floors below was noted by Stationary Engineers and other personell who did get out...and was also noted by Firemen, who got it.

Also noted by Firemen, were sequences of the kinds of even metered 'heavy' concussive sounds which are associated with controlled demolition events.

The 'puffs' we see in some videos, I do not think can be attributed to 'air' being forced out of lower floors...but instead, I accept to be just what it looks like - sequenced charges carefully advancing to effect, meter and manage the collapse in ensureing perimeter sections will not fall away but instead, be broken up as the area above them is descending.

These buildings would not, could not, to my mind, have even fallen like they did, from any other cause than...a controlled demolition.

randfreedom
(insurgent)
01/17/05 12:03 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: Haroun  |  Post 293282155, reply to 293280320 ] (Score: 1)

Quote:
I don't see her waving
If you look at the video linked in the article, she is clearly waving. You didn't watch the video.

Are you at all concerned the NIST hasn't released any core column steel which shows grain realignment due to extreme temperatures? If you are an American, this is your government that has treated the most important investigation of the century more casually than the Kobe Bryant or Scott Petersen cases. With no evidence released to date, they bureaucratically leave the public out in the cold, and prefer not to prove their case in the public domain, even while they invade innocent countries as a kind of vigilante justice for the crime.


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sambooch
(radical)
01/17/05 02:34 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: randfreedom  |  Post 293282627, reply to 293282155 ] (Score: 1)

Interesting you mentioned Scott Peterson and Kobe Bryant. I feel the attention paid to cases like that is disproportionate to their meaning. I feel the time given to them on air is in proportion to what else we are supposed to overlook. In theses cases it was Iraq war and 911 commission (in) activity.


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slimchance
(maverick)
01/17/05 05:10 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: Ombudsman  |  Post 293282946, reply to 293278505 ] (Score: 1)

I must say your link is quite an eye opener. First class research, especially the Bin Laden video analysis.

ashrad
(free-thinker)
01/18/05 01:21 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293285661, reply to 293277475 ] (Score: 1)

I showed this photo to alot of people I know.

You should have seen the astonishment on their faces.

But this photo isn't needed to prove simple physics. Anyone with any common sense knows there is no way the towers fell from the impact of the planes alone. There is no way the explosion was hot enough to melt steel. Unfortunately there are alot of simpletons in Virginia who can't seem to grasp this. The only lesson in physics they ever recieve is from 7.50$ Hollywood features at the local theatre.

The photos here helped me shed some light when explaining this to some people I know here.

Of course, being the simpletons that they are, they couldn't reach any other possible conclusion other then mine - that the metal was not melted by the explosion. I allowed them to believe only this.

However, we may never know exactly what floor this woman came from...

So this photo, prooving nothing really, turned quite a few heads here in Virginia and leaving them to question the official story on the events of 9-11 at least in part.

Kudos! Thanks for the flag.

America
(agent provocateur)
01/18/05 01:32 PM
Re: WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO). new  [ To: FalseOpposition  |  Post 293285691, reply to 293277333 ] (Score: 0)

strange, is that another person on the other 'stone' on the left? sitting?
I dont think she is waving, it looks like it until I realized that it was her hair, and her hands are on the post in front of her.


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